Why GOP Wants Hillary: Set-Up for "I Was For Withdrawal Before I Was Against it"

Instead of going after Clinton's tax returns, Obama should attack Hillary on her inconsistency on withdrawal from Iraq.  The candidate started to win me over when he had the guts to run, in a $250,000 spot in the middle of the single most testosterone-laden annual event in the world, the Super Bowl, an ad which flashed upon the screen "Getting us out of Iraq."  His string of victories in red states after such a bold, unambiguous statement to the most pumped-up white male audience imaginable told me this was a man of courage, and that America was ready to pull its sons from hell.  

It's clear why the Republicans want Hillary: Her record of statements on Iraq make her perfect for a repeat of the "I was for the war before I was against it" that was used to such devastating effect against John Kerry. The minor modification will be "I was before withdrawal before I was against it."

In 2005, in an echo of a recent Bush statement, she said immediate withdrawal from Iraq would be a mistake.  Then she said Bush's pledge to stay "until the job is done" was also a mistake.  So where does she fall?  Obviously she wants to withdraw not right away, but somewhere short of having the job "done."  Great.  Republican strategists are drooling for this ad and, if Obama is the nominee will feel like wolves within reaching distance of 20 pounds of raw elk meat watching it yanked away.

Helen Thomas reports:

On Tuesday, June 19, Clinton told a union audience that she favored keeping some troops in Iraq "to protect our interests" there after a major pullout. But the following day, she told an activist anti-war gathering that she wants U.S. troops withdrawn from Iraq...declaring: "We're going to end the war in Iraq and finally bring our troops home."

Jason Easley:

Just when you think that possibly Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) has done something to clarify her position on the war in Iraq, she turns around and has a day like she did on Wednesday. Clinton said originally that she would support an amendment that would have established a withdrawal deadline for the U.S. troops in Iraq, but by then she told reporters that she would not support the amendment, but in the end, she ended up voting for the amendment anyway. At first, Clinton was asked if she favored the troop withdrawal legislation before the Senate. She said, "I'm not going to speculate on what I'm going to be voting on in the future. I voted in favor of cloture to have a debate."

Later in the day, she changed her mind and said, "I support the underlying bill. That's what this vote on cloture was all about." He vague answers and mind changing are starting to leave even her fellow Democrats a little confused. A campaign spokesperson for Sen. Chris Dodd said, "We're as confused as anyone on Senator Clinton's position. Frankly, it's hard to know whether it's indecision, miscommunication or simple word games and political gamesmanship we're dealing with.

The issue of Hillary's tax returns and other housekeeping problems should be raised, but not by Obama.  As Hillary's campaign well understands, these kinds of attacks are the job of henchmen.  It is unfortunate that the the Clinton campaign has chosen to go highly negative against Obama, with the possible result that not only will Clinton be unable to beat McCain, but a damaged Obama won't either.  

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Re: Why GOP Wants Hillary: (none / 0)

Hillary's tax returns? The ones she's releasing on April 15th? Or the 25+ years of Clinton tax returns that are already in the public domain? Which one of those do you see as problematic for her? Because remember, Ken Starr went over every tax return she and Bill ever filed and reported on them.

And if the GOP wants her so badly, why is Dick Morris telling Republicans it's their moral duty to show and vote for her? If the GOP wants her so badly, why is Obama asking them to vote for him to keep her out of the White House? Why would that be a successful tact? Why was Obama running "Democrat for a day" campaigns in Texas and in Florida?
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by Little Otter on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:39:03 PM EST

Limbaugh (none / 0)

Limbaugh instructed his listeners to vote for her.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/s ite_030608/content/01125109.guest.html

Obama's outreach to rank and file Republicans is an appeal to those whose overriding interest is in seeing the best person elected President.  The appeals of the Republican mouthpieces come from those whose overriding interest is in seeing a Republican win -- regardless of who would objectively be best for the job.  Thus it is not contradictory that both appeals are going on at once.  However, it is clear that those Republicans who understand electoral strategy --and care more about their party winning than getting the best person in office -- are backing Hillary because they think they can beat her.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 09:37:29 PM EST
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This is a bigger problem for Obama (none / 0)

1. Of all democratic candidates Clinton has been the clearest in keeping a small force in the reigion/Iraq.

If anyone could be hit as "flip flopping" on Iraq it'd be Obama who has tried to paint himself as the Anti iraq candidate but who has already begun saying things like "well I have always said that as the commander and chief I reserve the right to change my decision in the best interest of the country" when asked if he would pull troops out if the his generals said no.

Now keep in mind this seems to be an obvious conclusion that if non biased experts say we need to change our military plans we should listen to them. I'm not saying Obama is wrong on this, all candidates would do this, but I'm just saying he faces the BIGGER threat of being a flip flopper


by world dictator on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:11:13 PM EST

Hillary's appeal on Iraq (none / 0)

There are three groups of Americans vis-a-vis Iraq:

(1) Those who were against the war from the beginning

(2) Those who were originally for the war but are now against it

(3) Those who were for it and still are.

If Obama is the nominee, he will win the first group solidly but lose a lot of the second group to McCain.

If Clinton is the nominee, she will win almost as much of the first group as Obama (barring a few sit-outs or Nader voters), but also a much higher percentage of the second group.

In total, Clinton will win more voters on the Iraq issue than Obama will.


by markjay on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:01:51 PM EST

People are not coke machines.. (none / 0)

You don't come up with some contrived formula and then their vote pops out..

Sorry ...


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It's been defeated
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by architek on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 08:42:03 PM EST
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markjay, I'm sorry.. (none / 0)

didn't read your whole post before posting.

Its been a long day for me and I'm tired. Yes, I agree with you, I think Hillary doesn't look like they will be able to smear her as much as they want to.

Lets not forget that Saddam probably killed at least a million of his own people..

I think that nomatter what you think of the last few years in Iraq, its still hard not to be glad Saddam is gone..


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 08:45:38 PM EST
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Re: markjay, I'm sorry.. (none / 0)

I could be gladder if American foreign policy were not so hypocritical. Where was all this concern for human rights when we were helping death squads kill 200,000 Guatemalans or 50,000 Salvadorans?  The fact is we supported Saddam when he was gassing Kurds and Shiites, Rumsfeld was over there shaking his hand.  The problem with "it's good to be rid of people like Saddam" is we only care if there is something else we want, like the oil reserves he's sitting on.  The rest of the world sees this and it generates hatred, not good for America.


by ralphlopez on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 02:05:25 PM EST
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Re: Why GOP Wants Hillary (none / 0)

Look, I don't want to turn into Taylor Marsh here, but you're quite silly if you think Obama has been consistent on Iraq.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:08:16 PM EST

Re: Why GOP Wants Hillary (none / 0)

Someone else addressed this in another discussion, I'll post it and my response:

Reader:
"I voted for Obama in the primary and will vote for him if he wins the nomination, but this:

   ... consistency on Iraq.

is not quite true. Yes, he's been pretty consistent in his speeches, but given the chance to actually vote against the war, he's voted every time to continue it. Actions, not words."

Me:     "good point, Obama is in the end a politician.  That means that, given the democrats' unwillingness to counter the republican "he voted to not support the troops", with "the purpose of cutting off funding is to force the president to withdraw," he saw he would be open to this charge and twisting in the wind.  A political calculation.  Nevertheless, his consistent statements on Iraq withdrawal seem calculated to prepare Americans for him to do just that, whereas Clinton's positions seem calculated to prove over and over that a woman can be commander in chief. The Clintons are centrists, they ride the wind.  Obama, for all his faults, shows signs of leadership, which means not only riding the wind but changing it.  The Super Bowl gambit proved that."
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As for the comment that Clinton would win more votes on Iraq than Obama against McCain, that ignores her negatives among Republicans and red-state independents, who'll vote for anyone before they'll vote for Hillary Clinton.  


by ralphlopez on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 07:42:17 PM EST
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